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	<title>Comments on: Organic vs. Non-organic Open Source</title>
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	<description>Musings about Open Source, Linux, and Life by Theodore Tso</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DevWebPro &#187; Post Topic &#187; OSCON 2008: Open Source Conference</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/04/24/organic-vs-non-organic-open-source/#comment-861</link>
		<dc:creator>DevWebPro &#187; Post Topic &#187; OSCON 2008: Open Source Conference</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you to follow Does Open Source Need to Be “Organic”?, a session following the now famous Theodor’s post on the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Open Source Conference: OSCON 2008 is coming! &#124; Commercial Open Source Software</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/04/24/organic-vs-non-organic-open-source/#comment-856</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Source Conference: OSCON 2008 is coming! &#124; Commercial Open Source Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to follow Does Open Source Need to Be &#8220;Organic&#8221;?, a session following the now famous Theodor&#8217;s post on the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Open Source Development: About Community and Sponsored Projects &#124; Commercial Open Source Software</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/04/24/organic-vs-non-organic-open-source/#comment-846</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Source Development: About Community and Sponsored Projects &#124; Commercial Open Source Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ts&#8217;o opened a conversation about organic vs non organic open source development, following a Mozilla’s organic definition. Matthew Aslett later reopened the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tecosystems &#187; When is Open Open? And When is Open Closed?</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/04/24/organic-vs-non-organic-open-source/#comment-728</link>
		<dc:creator>tecosystems &#187; When is Open Open? And When is Open Closed?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 16:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I for one would not look forward to the challenges of educating them on a spectrum of equitable vs (? inequitable?) open source. Or organic vs non-organic. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I for one would not look forward to the challenges of educating them on a spectrum of equitable vs (? inequitable?) open source. Or organic vs non-organic. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The OpenSolaris Community v2: Prepare Yourself at Jeremy&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/04/24/organic-vs-non-organic-open-source/#comment-504</link>
		<dc:creator>The OpenSolaris Community v2: Prepare Yourself at Jeremy&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 17:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] what kinds of participation Sun was originally looking for when they launched Open Solaris. His Organic vs. Non-organic Open Source follow up delves into a Brian Aker comment about projects moving between &#8220;organic&#8221; and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] what kinds of participation Sun was originally looking for when they launched Open Solaris. His Organic vs. Non-organic Open Source follow up delves into a Brian Aker comment about projects moving between &#8220;organic&#8221; and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Cantrill</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/04/24/organic-vs-non-organic-open-source/#comment-442</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Cantrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank,

Yes, I believe that the DTrace community is in the same "class" -- in part because the vitality of both the technology and the community relies upon domain experts writing DTrace providers for their environments.  Indeed, many of the attendees were involved in (and demonstrating) the implementation of DTrace in this critical regard.  I also find it interesting that while Ted apologized for exhuming old posts and treating them as breaking news, he ignored the substance of my comment:  that we have a community in DTrace that is open, organic and thriving...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank,</p>
<p>Yes, I believe that the DTrace community is in the same &#8220;class&#8221; &#8212; in part because the vitality of both the technology and the community relies upon domain experts writing DTrace providers for their environments.  Indeed, many of the attendees were involved in (and demonstrating) the implementation of DTrace in this critical regard.  I also find it interesting that while Ted apologized for exhuming old posts and treating them as breaking news, he ignored the substance of my comment:  that we have a community in DTrace that is open, organic and thriving&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NOTA BENE &#187; Moore&#8217;s law for the opensource</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/04/24/organic-vs-non-organic-open-source/#comment-434</link>
		<dc:creator>NOTA BENE &#187; Moore&#8217;s law for the opensource</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not just about chip&#8217;s performance, but also explains the economic of technology. The debate organic vs. non-organic touched a similar problem, but on the side of software development. The reason why we need both [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not just about chip&#8217;s performance, but also explains the economic of technology. The debate organic vs. non-organic touched a similar problem, but on the side of software development. The reason why we need both [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Ch. Eigler</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/04/24/organic-vs-non-organic-open-source/#comment-432</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Ch. Eigler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan, by quoting Stephen O’Grady: “the conference provided an excellent read on the health and overall well being of the relatively newly minted DTrace community. The verdict? Healthy.”, are you sure you are talking about the same class of community that Ted is?  There are dtrace users (including those who instrument their own code with it) and there are dtrace developers (those who maintain the implementation).  To what extent is the latter an open source community?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan, by quoting Stephen O’Grady: “the conference provided an excellent read on the health and overall well being of the relatively newly minted DTrace community. The verdict? Healthy.”, are you sure you are talking about the same class of community that Ted is?  There are dtrace users (including those who instrument their own code with it) and there are dtrace developers (those who maintain the implementation).  To what extent is the latter an open source community?</p>
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		<title>By: Organic vs. Non-Organic Open Source, Revisited &#124; Thoughts by Ted</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/04/24/organic-vs-non-organic-open-source/#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator>Organic vs. Non-Organic Open Source, Revisited &#124; Thoughts by Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been some controversy generated over my use of the terminology of &#8220;Organic&#8221; and &#8220;Non-Organic&#8221; Open Source. Asa Dotzler noted that it wasn&#8217;t Mozilla&#8217;s original intent to &#8220;make a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been some controversy generated over my use of the terminology of &#8220;Organic&#8221; and &#8220;Non-Organic&#8221; Open Source. Asa Dotzler noted that it wasn&#8217;t Mozilla&#8217;s original intent to &#8220;make a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Asa Dotzler</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/04/24/organic-vs-non-organic-open-source/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator>Asa Dotzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point of the "Organic Software" label for what we do at Mozilla was not to make a distinction between how Mozilla does open source and how others do open source, but to help people who don't have a clue what open source is to understand by connecting it with something they do understand, the organic food movement. 

The distinction between OSS as practiced by volunteer-only/mostly organizations and paid contributor organizations is really an entirely different topic.

- A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of the &#8220;Organic Software&#8221; label for what we do at Mozilla was not to make a distinction between how Mozilla does open source and how others do open source, but to help people who don&#8217;t have a clue what open source is to understand by connecting it with something they do understand, the organic food movement. </p>
<p>The distinction between OSS as practiced by volunteer-only/mostly organizations and paid contributor organizations is really an entirely different topic.</p>
<p>- A</p>
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