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	<title>Comments on: New toy: iPod Touch (2nd Generation)</title>
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	<description>Musings about Open Source, Linux, and Life by Theodore Tso</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steve Szmidt</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/09/14/new-toy-ipod-touch-2nd-generation/#comment-1419</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Szmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I had not realized that code was different too. I knew there were some changes but not to what extent.

I posted to share my concern about the battery life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I had not realized that code was different too. I knew there were some changes but not to what extent.</p>
<p>I posted to share my concern about the battery life.</p>
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		<title>By: Dette</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/09/14/new-toy-ipod-touch-2nd-generation/#comment-1389</link>
		<dc:creator>Dette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How are you guys jailbreaking the 2nd gen iPod Touch? Thats what this article is about, the 2nd gen which I wasnt aware could be jailbroken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How are you guys jailbreaking the 2nd gen iPod Touch? Thats what this article is about, the 2nd gen which I wasnt aware could be jailbroken.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/09/14/new-toy-ipod-touch-2nd-generation/#comment-984</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears to be due to sshd running all the time, keeping the wireless connected, thus eating up the battery.

It should however have disappeared when I ran Restore in iTunes. This is another oddity. Maybe it is due to some things being moved to a different location during the jailbreak, which prevents it from being deleted, that could keep the wireless going... 

A good test would be to repeat the jailbreak, then restore back to default while using a tool on a wireless router to see if the connection is being kept alive after the restore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears to be due to sshd running all the time, keeping the wireless connected, thus eating up the battery.</p>
<p>It should however have disappeared when I ran Restore in iTunes. This is another oddity. Maybe it is due to some things being moved to a different location during the jailbreak, which prevents it from being deleted, that could keep the wireless going&#8230; </p>
<p>A good test would be to repeat the jailbreak, then restore back to default while using a tool on a wireless router to see if the connection is being kept alive after the restore.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/09/14/new-toy-ipod-touch-2nd-generation/#comment-976</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is odd. I knew there were risks involved so I took my time before settling on iLiberty+, not wanting to brick it. All I know of is the other poster and me having had that result. 

It would be intersting to hear what others might have done. Use of jailbreak s/w and so on. To try to develop a pattern to narrow down what's behind it.

(OT, I'm really looking forward to ext4 going gold, as I'm sure the rest of the ext3 world is, no doubt. Thanks for your good work there!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is odd. I knew there were risks involved so I took my time before settling on iLiberty+, not wanting to brick it. All I know of is the other poster and me having had that result. </p>
<p>It would be intersting to hear what others might have done. Use of jailbreak s/w and so on. To try to develop a pattern to narrow down what&#8217;s behind it.</p>
<p>(OT, I&#8217;m really looking forward to ext4 going gold, as I&#8217;m sure the rest of the ext3 world is, no doubt. Thanks for your good work there!)</p>
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		<title>By: tytso</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/09/14/new-toy-ipod-touch-2nd-generation/#comment-972</link>
		<dc:creator>tytso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

Funny thing, I haven't seen anyone else complain about decreased battery life when using iLiberty+.  That being said, I haven't been interested and I haven't tried jailbreaking my iPod Touch, so I don't have any personal experience about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Funny thing, I haven&#8217;t seen anyone else complain about decreased battery life when using iLiberty+.  That being said, I haven&#8217;t been interested and I haven&#8217;t tried jailbreaking my iPod Touch, so I don&#8217;t have any personal experience about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/09/14/new-toy-ipod-touch-2nd-generation/#comment-969</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, yes I did a jailbreak using iLiberty+. Which otherwise worked really well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, yes I did a jailbreak using iLiberty+. Which otherwise worked really well.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/09/14/new-toy-ipod-touch-2nd-generation/#comment-968</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's an interesting discovery that I made when playing with the iTouch. As soon as I got it I installed the hack that allowed me to add GNU apps. 

It worked really well, except for one huge point. Which I did not really want to believe because it seemed too impossible.

The battery life drastically dropped to just a few hours (2-4). It did not matter what I installed, as soon as I had done it there was only one way to restore battery life, as I accidentally discovered, which was to send it back to Apple for battery replacement.

Except they did not replace it. Simply restored it to the original condition. Now I had done that too, I thought. Using iTunes I could wipe out my previous efforts and be back to the original condition. Well, that was obviously not correct as I had installed the hack and restored it a dozen times without recovering the battery life. The only thing that brought it back to some 20+ hours was a factory "rebuild".

What looked to me to be a faulty battery turned out to be something entirely caused by the hack. Mind you I used iTunes to restore it and then used it for weeks with 2-4 hour battery life. I could just leave it sitting over two days and the battery was gone.

I don't know what is different between what iTuned restore could do and Apple's, but it certainly made all the difference.

Now I have settled in using it the same way the above author does, as it shipped. Certainly I loved the features I got when hacked but with that poor battery life it became close to useless. 

Incidentally, I read a post from someone else who said that his battery life died too, but I figured it HAD to do with something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an interesting discovery that I made when playing with the iTouch. As soon as I got it I installed the hack that allowed me to add GNU apps. </p>
<p>It worked really well, except for one huge point. Which I did not really want to believe because it seemed too impossible.</p>
<p>The battery life drastically dropped to just a few hours (2-4). It did not matter what I installed, as soon as I had done it there was only one way to restore battery life, as I accidentally discovered, which was to send it back to Apple for battery replacement.</p>
<p>Except they did not replace it. Simply restored it to the original condition. Now I had done that too, I thought. Using iTunes I could wipe out my previous efforts and be back to the original condition. Well, that was obviously not correct as I had installed the hack and restored it a dozen times without recovering the battery life. The only thing that brought it back to some 20+ hours was a factory &#8220;rebuild&#8221;.</p>
<p>What looked to me to be a faulty battery turned out to be something entirely caused by the hack. Mind you I used iTunes to restore it and then used it for weeks with 2-4 hour battery life. I could just leave it sitting over two days and the battery was gone.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what is different between what iTuned restore could do and Apple&#8217;s, but it certainly made all the difference.</p>
<p>Now I have settled in using it the same way the above author does, as it shipped. Certainly I loved the features I got when hacked but with that poor battery life it became close to useless. </p>
<p>Incidentally, I read a post from someone else who said that his battery life died too, but I figured it HAD to do with something else.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gerard</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/09/14/new-toy-ipod-touch-2nd-generation/#comment-943</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple &lt;a href="http://notnews.today.com/2008/09/19/apple-declares-ok-were-evil/" rel="nofollow"&gt;is evil.&lt;/a&gt; But they're &lt;i&gt;so good&lt;/i&gt; at it.

Of course, the &lt;a href="http://notnews.today.com/2008/09/22/free-software-foundation-announces-gnuphone/" rel="nofollow"&gt;alternative&lt;/a&gt; might be worse ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple <a href="http://notnews.today.com/2008/09/19/apple-declares-ok-were-evil/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/notnews.today.com');">is evil.</a> But they&#8217;re <i>so good</i> at it.</p>
<p>Of course, the <a href="http://notnews.today.com/2008/09/22/free-software-foundation-announces-gnuphone/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/notnews.today.com');">alternative</a> might be worse &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: robinson</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/09/14/new-toy-ipod-touch-2nd-generation/#comment-942</link>
		<dc:creator>robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liked your commentary, though it was repetitive ("won't develop, not a developer, don't like locked platform, locked platform").  Still, the metaphor was fun-- velvet lined prison cell with ocean view!

My prob is that the PIM (personal info management) functions seem underwhelming... unlike the Palm which hit a home run from its release date.  Why, oh why, Apple couldn't have gotten this right is beyond me?  Jobs and anti-Newton bias?  His still smarting from the Doonesbury spoof of its poor handwriting recognition?  Don't know, but a synchable to-do list that doesn't require a web server is truly needed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liked your commentary, though it was repetitive (&#8221;won&#8217;t develop, not a developer, don&#8217;t like locked platform, locked platform&#8221;).  Still, the metaphor was fun&#8211; velvet lined prison cell with ocean view!</p>
<p>My prob is that the PIM (personal info management) functions seem underwhelming&#8230; unlike the Palm which hit a home run from its release date.  Why, oh why, Apple couldn&#8217;t have gotten this right is beyond me?  Jobs and anti-Newton bias?  His still smarting from the Doonesbury spoof of its poor handwriting recognition?  Don&#8217;t know, but a synchable to-do list that doesn&#8217;t require a web server is truly needed!</p>
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		<title>By: foo</title>
		<link>http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/09/14/new-toy-ipod-touch-2nd-generation/#comment-936</link>
		<dc:creator>foo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A future OpenMoko device running some future Linux-based software on a Debian distribution will rock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A future OpenMoko device running some future Linux-based software on a Debian distribution will rock.</p>
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